>> i will be on "hannity" tonight promoting my book. more with the dogs after the show? we go off to "america's newsroom." >> see you soon. bill: only gets better from here. the dogs are good. martha: one dog and then there is another. bill: new day, new trouble for the health care government website. healthcare.gov down for critical maintenance. the administration rushes to make all the fixes before the end of the month. kathleen sebelius testifies again this week. in the meantime, there is just so much to talk about. martha: good morning, happy monday, everybody. i am martha mccallum. top democrat saying it may be time to put this thing on hold as republicans continue to say

they believe we should cut our losses and shut it down. >> lets have a timeout on this, mr. president. you call a timeout on this. convene a group of bipartisan leaders to address health care concerns in this country because this is not working. bill: peter ducey is working today live in washington. how well is the website working? peter: is no longer a 1 24 hours per day website. it will be off-line at least from 1:00 a.m. until 5:00 a.m. every day. new members show consumers are not the only ones having problems with healthcare.gov. navigators who are there to make the process easier are turning away from the site as well. here's a quote from an octobe october 11 document. navigators are seeing people very frustrated and walking away so they are turning to paper applications to protect their reputations as people in the

community who can help even the paper applications will not have a quicker result, necessarily. the white house says they will fall short of their target enrollment for month one. >> i can promise you the first enrollment numbers released later this month are not going to be what we want them to be. no question about that. but we take responsibility for that, take response ability for the errors, take responsible before fixing it. if we get the website working by the end of the month, it will be in a good place. peter: demonstration said they had wanted just shy of 500,000 people enrolled by halloween, bill. bill: if the site is fixed on time, the end of november, just keeping track. is that enough time to satisfy republican lawmakers? what are they saying? peter: it depends on who you ask. ask. the senator rand paul says he thinks the government is just as big of a problem as the website.

>> government is inherently inept because they do not work in a profit motive. there is a certain safety net. national defense, roads, judiciary, and plus or minus if we should even fund congress. peter: the house committee chair rogers says cyber security concerns are so serious the site should be taken off-line until the administration can promise personal information will be saved. bill: now get back online. thank you, peter doocy. martha: number of obamacare enrollees is reportedly very low and somewhat a mystery as to how many of them are actually out there. open enrollment started october 1, so little over a full month now. he white house has not released any hard numbers on it. they say it will come in the middle of november. according to documents released by the oversight committee, only six people signed up on day one.

the next day it went up to 2.48 people. most of those people who signed up were not paying at all, they were enrolling in medicaid by huge numbers in terms of how out of whack that part of this is. stuart varney joins me now. stuart, these are nowhere near the numbers we heard were needed to make this solvent. stuart: that is precisely right, martha. you need the biggest pool possible with as much money as possible. that is why under obamacare everybody's got to have insurance, they want your money. if young, healthy people don't pay into this system, there's not much money going in. if a lot of older, sicker people go into the system, they're taking a lot of people out. if the young people don't front up and put real money into this system, they will be taking very little out, so insurers have to

raise their premiums, raise the cost of insurance they are offering so fewer people in role. that is the death spiral. things are not going well at this moment. martha: many people coming in are coming in from free care. they would have the best motivation to logon and try to get something. stuart: headline for the u.s. time says three for millions under the care act. including the medicaid people getting it totally free. that means the government has to be putting in, the taxpayer has a pudding and a lot more money because it is given away for free or huge subsidy. both sides of the fence not working. young, healthy people not in their money in.

it is just not workable. martha: if it has to be pushed somewhere, to be pushed onto insurance companies who would push on to the customer. stuart: exactly. which raises the premiums which means fewer people and roll. it is a vicious circle, it is not working. martha: boy, people were sputtering all over the place on this over the weekend on all of the sunday shows. a gasket blown across the networks and our conversation here. we will see where this goes. bill: trying to follow nothing with a flowchart. the stats on cancellations keep climbing. here are the cancellations across the country, seven states added to that list where tens of thousands of being notified insurance plan is being canceled. the number of people getting cancellation notice is now approaching 4 million.

almost 1 million people in the state of california alone. that number is expected to go higher. that number could get 12 million americans. martha: we have so much to go over on this today. we are learning so much about this program it. so many people running from it on all sides at this point. so what do you think? do you think the program should take a timeout? a lot of members suggested that would be a good idea. send us your thoughts on it. want to know what is on your mind and we will talk about it as we go through the show today. bill: the white house decision has been no delay, you can forget about it. martha: the more we learn about how they will put it together, the economic team said it should be outside business experts. the political team said no,

these folks in house have been on it since day one, they understand the program and are looking like the ones you have some explaining to do. bill: right on. ♪ new details now in a shooting rampage at lax on friday. one tsa agent dead, several others wounded including the gunman. investigators say the gunman, paul ciancia said he acted alone. the airport in los angeles, what else are we learning about this young suspects planned? reporter: bill, we learned he is pre-much acting alone. that is when he was arrested at terminal 3 behind me on friday. a disturbing plan that seemingly he only knew about because one of his remit stroked him to the airport to talk about a flight other than the suspects say he had one. they didn't know where he was going to anything at all. his roommate say h they had no

idea he would get out of the car and opened fire with intent on killing as many tsa agents as possible. as you might imagine, bill, right now the investigation continues to try to find out if there are any answers as to why or what sets this man off for you to bill: what is his status now? there were gruesome photos floating around the internet. >> he is in critical condition. he is sedated because he is trying to recover from his injuries. he was shot several times, in the phase as well, which is part of the reason why he has not spoken any longer to authorities. he is being watched very closely. as the investigation goes on, there is a lot of talk about the man who lost his life. they have those pillars here at lax, these art pillars out

front, they were blue over the weekend. more of a memorial inside as well, bill or you'd bill: adam, thank you. adam housley, lots of questions at los angeles today. 10 minutes past the hour. martha: this is a miracle in midair. two airplanes full of skydivers crashed into each other but the ending is nothing short of amazing. bill: also, this pregnant woman attacked in her home while a soldier watched in horror. how he captured the attacker. martha: during their darndest to defend the law as new questions emerge on whether top administration officials lied about the rollout. we will talk about that. >> before obamacare we were having-- >> will those people be able to keep their coverage?

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martha: two planes collided in midair, and amazingly everybody survived. both of these planes were loaded with skydivers when they crashed early saturday morning. the passengers were preparing to jump at the time and were able to parachute to safety. one plane landed safely, the crashed to the ground. >> very, very lucky. anytime two planes collided in the air, it is a potential disaster for everybody involved. so we were all very, very lucky. martha: that is for sure. one of the pilots was hospitalized with minor injuries. nine others walked away virtually unscathed. the faa is now investigating. bill: unbelievable. a lot of blame for the website for this website rollout. health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius taken a lot of heat over this.

she is blaming the start date of october won on the law itself. watch from a few weeks ago. >> i think in an ideal world it would have been a lot more testing. we did not have the luxury of that. it is go time on october 1. bill: that was late october. here's a fact check of what she just said. the law says the enrollment period should be determined by the secretary. fox news digital politics editor, host of "power play" on foxnews.com. good morning to you. the first time i heard about it. what is the truth? >> what is funny is this is an administration that has been very choosy when it comes to which parts of the law they like in force in which parts of the law they don't like enforcing. most famously the decision to grant large employers a one-year delay in the time to have two provide insurance for their workers. they caught a lot of flack for

that. as for the october 1 date, she does have broad discretion as relates to that, but a new piece out in "washington post" today that sheds more light on why she decided to keep that day. that is politics were driving this far beyond policy up to and including the fact the technicians that were working on this absolute disaster of a website were hoping it would fail in a demonstration to the administration, so that officials would relent on this october 1 date and say they weren't ready for prime time, giving them more credibility. bill: when she said we had no luxury of that with the law that says it is go time october 1, is that true? or was that not true? >> no. she has broad latitude in this. broader latitude than in the decision not to penalize employers, their partners in the business community who asked for

a delay, the law was much more, had much less ambiguity as related to that favor the president did for allies in the business community. the fact the secretary decided to launch this, she would have much broader latitude. bill: was she lying when she said that? >> the l word. it is coming up a lot these days in washington about what is a lie, what is misleading, and i think in this case the law says october 1. the law says she has latitude about that. her characterization of it may have been overripe whether or not it is a lie, it is a something the writing of the law defends her reading of it, but it does not defend her emphasis. bill: this could be a question

on wednesday before that senate committee. david axelrod was on and was beaten up a little bit. take a look. >> why did not you wer or someby else they do him mr. president, don't say no matter what you will keep your health care plan. >> hindsight is 2020. >> that is why you are there. >> the vast majority of americans that statement will hold true for this small group of americans. the calamitous thing here is the website was up because many of those people who didn't get, have the transition will get better insurance for less money but they just can't tell. >> they just can't tell that? that is his phrase now. for this small group of americans which we intend could be 10 million or higher. is 10 million small to you? >> here's the thing, the president's team is in a shambles right now.

i had a prediction that would be this would be survivable. maybe it would have been if the website hadn't had also 10 skid the technical crash ended up being a lot more significant. axelrod, they're shifting the blame for their decision not to tell the american people, and here's what they did, bill, they didn't tell the president's priorities had changed. he previously prioritized if you like it, you can keep it. he then changed we want everybody to have assurance the way we say the habit. they made a political calculation. it is now crashing and burning because sebelius' team could not get the website ready. when you have a failure, this is inside the tank blaming each other. bill: i have 20 seconds for this. if republicans get their way and they get a delay in the individual mandate, is that a political victory? does the law fall apart? what happens?

>> premiums skyrocket and then we see what happens because if you delay this another year and the insurance industry is doing with new regulations and everybody is paying more for insurance, the train wreck gets worse, the fight becomes with what do you replace it, and that is when the republicans being bad at politics becomes much more consequential. bill: part of the reason why the white house says we're sticking with it. thank you, chris. out of washington today. martha: a pregnant women due to deliver any day was brutally attacked as her soldier husband watched half a world away. can you imagine how that soldiers wanted to action overseas. bill: a college student missing for two days has been found and he is alive stuck between a rock and a hard place. we will explain. >> i spent the last four hours until he was found walking the

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bill: a college student here in new york missing for two days has been found, trapped between two buildings. according to reports, that student was stuck in this crawlspace for 36 hours. he apparently fell some 18 stories from the dorms roof into a gap that is only 18 inches wide. his friends alerted campus police after he went missing. >> had we not told security guards the three of us thinking-year-old students to check the roof, they would not have found him for who knows how long and he would probably be dead right now. bill: firefighters drilled

through the wall to get him out. he is now recovering at the hospital. what a weekend he has had. martha: a soldier serving overseas looks on as his pregnant wife is rudely attacked. can you imagine this? video chatting with her husband, justin, when she was attacked and stabbed multiple times. she was rushed to the hospital where doctors tried to save her and the baby's life. rick has the rest of this story this morning. this has been an awful sequence of events. >> absolutely, martha. she and her husband knew the guy, and justin took half a world away to catch the suspect who broke in through the back door and attacked rachel when she came home while she was basefacetiming with justin. she called 911 and her husband went online asking for friends to be on the lookout for the

19-year-old corey moss, fellow soldier in training captured when he was returned to base. doctors performed a cesarean section delivery a healthy baby girl named isabella and justin posted a message saying isabella has made a full recovery and no longer needs help breathing and eating. the blanket is a part of a set she sleeps with so she will be closed to mommy even though they have yet to meet in person because of rachel's injuries. rachel is still hospitalized in critical condition with stab wounds, fractures to her face and body and a collapsed lung. martha: what more do we know about this suspect? >> members say corey moss borrowed justin's car and damaged the vehicle. he went to the home to confront rachel over money he owed to fix it. police released a statement which reads in part, "we pride ourselves withi of soldiers witr

ranks. these actions are not representative of the men and women who serve. our immediate concern is the safety and welfare of the victim. where monitoring her condition and our thoughts and prayers are with her for a full and quick recovery. moss is being charged with attended murder and held at $60,000 bond." martha: what a way to begin a family life. we wish him well. bill: it has been more than three decades since the scene here unfolded. now iranian protesters are back in the u.s. embassy today with another message for america, they say, and a message for their home president. martha: the president's former opponent mitt romney has choice words for him over the broken obamacare promises. >> if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. period. [applauding]

bill: there are tens of thousands in the streets of tehran earlier today. anti-american rallies in the capital city today also marks the 34th anniversary of the start of the hostage situation. amy kellogg covers this from london today. the heaviest demonstrations every year now, how was this one different? >> you know, bill, my first trip coincided with this

demonstration. i was literally taken from the airport in tehran the demonstration. we both started staring at me and finally one girl approached me and asked where i was from. i pointed the burning u.s. flag and she and her friends just first into smiles and said welcome to our country. not understanding the irony at all. in the past i would say these demonstrations would be full of students who sort of joined the street party, but this year according to journalists i have spoken with in iran and outside saying it took on a more political tone this year. it was better attended and there were lots of government officials and official personalities. many opposed to a possible warming of relations between the united states because i goes against what the public really stands for. maybe some they're not necessarily opposed to a warming of relations but not wanting others to take credit for it, bill.

bill: how does this fit in the context of the ongoing nuclear talks? reporter: bill, what i think is probably more significant was the speech given yesterday by iran's supreme leader who addressed students saying that the diplomats should not be harangued for their work in these negotiations. basically they shouldn't be stonewalled, they are not compromisers, so he was really giving indications he was backing this next round of nuclear negotiations which began on thursday in geneva. he did also say the u.s. was not to be trusted. these demonstrations which stem from that hostage taking, the dramatic 444 days for american diplomats really at the heart of why the united states still doesn't trust iran. all that has one iranian journalist saying there were tens of thousands out today, 30 million people in tehran. more significant is iranians

voted on a promise of improving relations to the rest of the world. bill: amy, thanks. amy kellogg there in london. martha: interesting developments yesterday when former republican presidential nominee mitt romney was speaking out about the presidents now disputed, that health care telling "meet the press" the deceptions could destroy the second term. here is mitt romney. >speak authenticating the president is trying to get away from, that is he told people they could keep their insurance and that was not the truth. whether you like the mile of obamacare or not, the fact the president sold it on the basis that was not true has undermined the foundation of his second term. martha: strong words. now secretary of state and the news editor at townhall.com and a fox news contributor. the question raised here really

is is this a moment, is this phrase, is this promise something that sticks so deeply in people's consciousness as they watch this whole thing that they never really get over it? >> i think it does. we are seeing millions of people. the administration wants to pass off 5% of americans losing their health care plans as just a few, but we have the millions after they were promised they could keep them. why this matters is because obamacare was supposed to cover people who are uninsured. it was not supposed to take away coverage for those who like the plan and taking fo personal responsibility. it draws attention to other issues not only in his second term but in his presidency about what else he has been saying and lying about as well. martha: you look back at other presidencies, the first president bush, read my lips, no new taxes, that never left him,

that phrase because taxes were raised. is this that kind of moment for president obama? >> not at all. the last person anybody will listen to about obamacare is mitt romney coming architect of obamacare and with president obama. he has his own credibility problems. martha: he is hardly the only person saying this. >> the fact is his plan is the reason we have obamacare. he chose to run for president in 2008. so in 2012 mitt romney rejected romneycare and the voters rejected him as president. martha: the fact is what does it mean to me now? i have got obamacare, promise i would not lose my doctor and lo and behold people are getting kicked off these plans all across america. how does this president turn it around? does he say i own this plan, it

is mine, come with me, i will pull you through this? >> two things, martha. that is exactly what he needs to do. what he should have said and what he needs to say now is you can keep your plan if you like it, or you are going to get a better plan with better benefits that cost less. and he needs to get out there and saw that and insurance companies need to be putting that in those letters because those are the facts, and that is what is going to happen. speaker that is the line many people are going with. it is a small number of people, so don't get so upset. >> millions of people losing their health care plans they like is a very big deal. for the president now to backtrack and not come out and say we were wrong, we knew people would be losing their insurance, we are sorry, this is what is going to happen. instead they are saying suck it up, now you can go onto the obamacare exchanges and people are now saying i was paying for

my own insurance, wasn't subsidized by the taxpayer and now i can't even get insurance through this program president obama claimed would be ready. it is dishonest and it will have a huge impact on 2014 but i agree with mitt romney on president obama's second term as a whole. martha: a look at this over the weekend, folks who are supporting this, they look exhausted. they look like they are so tired of having to do this. i know you have been a supporter of the plan. a lot of people were. they held reelect obama. but how do you feel about all of this now, really. >> 97% coverage, 65% of the people love it. but here the politics of this. the only thing working politically is the government shutdown.

that is going to cost republicans a lot of races tomorrow especially in virginia, i think people forgot all about the shutdown. what do you think? >> absolutely, the government shutdown is long gone. nobody remembers what happened with the government shutdown. this is all about obamacare of people getting a letter saying you are no longer covered even though barack obama promised to not once, not twice, but two dozen times you could keep your plan and people are not able to keep those plans. if people said we will take away your plan that you like and you have been paying for and give you a government plan even though you don't need it and you already have a plan that you like there is no way obamacare would have ever passed. massachusetts might like their health care plan but all of the polls show it and president obama not only his approval rating personally but

politically as well has gone down as a result of the rollout. >> the polls show they like the shutdown even less. we will be sitting here and i promise you it is going to cost republicans in the midterm. martha: we will bring you back and find out. what does the president do now, what does he say, that continues to be asked this morning. always good to see you. bill: can a 6'5", 320-pound professional football player be bullied? why did miami dolphins player say he walked away from his team and the other player on that team now suspended indefinitely? martha: investigation into benghazi now goes to the next level. one senator issuing a bold threat the white house unless congress get some answers finally. >> the fact is we have four dead americans because of a protest or because of guys out for a

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martha: it was a rocket first day of trial for outed egyptian president mohammed morsi. morsi told the court had no authority to put him on trial while outside a group of protesters and supporters tussled with the police. forcing the judge to adjourn the whole thing until january. there is that. >> the state department looking intlookinto what happened at be. they interviewed them. the number of who has explained the family are they being straight and honest with you about the obama administration. i shouldn't have to do this. i shouldn't have to make these kind of threats. they should provide an irresponsible way those who

lived in benghazi what happened to four, during after. bill: threatening to block the nomination of all nominees until congress is allowed to talk to the survivors of the attack in gaza. kt mcfarland now fox news national security analyst, nice to see you. he says i shouldn't have to do this to make these threats. why does he have to be? >> the administration will not let the survivors testify. why won't you let the survivors testify? if they don't get permission from the government to testify, these guys operate in the shadows, they go under pseudo names, they are cia contractors. if the government doesn't hire them, they don't have any jobs again. the government has to give them permission to testify before they do it.

bill: you say the real question to all this is what were we doing there? >> we already know this is a massive screwup. we didn't have enough security, we didn't rescue them, we haven't gone afte at the terrace after the fact. the one unanswered question throughout, what were they doing in the first place? you know what happens normally? they talk about lost luggage. these guys were security guys, former special ops guys. they weren't doing security checks for people getting their visas to come to america. what were they doing? in the shadows the rumors have been circulating what they were really doing was buying weapons that we had given the libyan rebels and they were taking those weapons to get them off the streets like a police commissioner would say would your guns, get them off the street or maybe what they were doing was taking those weapons

and filtering them to the syrian rebels. we don't know, that is just speculation. bill: why would it be so dangerous of that were proven true? >> the whole point of arming the syrian rebels, who are the syrian rebels? the majority of them and the strongest group were al qaeda. so you could take a step and say maybe what we were doing was taking weapons from rebels in libya and then funneling them to rebels in syria. bill: i always think about when hillary clinton was testifying and senator rand paul asked that question came out of the blue simile at the time toward the end of that hearing. will he end can he win off of this? >> depends. if all the republicans in the senate stick with graham and say we will withhold all nominations until we hear yes. but if the administration takes

away five senators,-- bill: adam housley strategy has to be republicans behind me, what is your sense of him achieving that? >> who knows. the administration will bring a lot of pressure to bear. will he? it is a hail mary pass. we can safely assume we will never hear from the survivors. bill: do you see the administration going on offense fell against anybody who does go? >> sure. there was a british guy writing a book and he was on "60 minutes" and the administration discredited him. they outed him. they leaked a memo with his name in it. saying what he said was different in the book and what he said when he was there. sort of a he said she said. they haven't the ability to destroy the livelihood. bill: i guess in time we will

know that. one would think. homeland security director, johnson, janet yellen the next leader of the fed. if lindsey graham was a successful on this maneuver and republicans get behind them, watch washington. martha: than the administration has to do something because government comes to a complete stop. bill: thank you. it is fascinating to watch and we will see if graham gets his way. martha: has the problem of bullying reached all the way to the nfl? why a miami dolphins player left the team and another player has been suspended indefinitely. bill: the defenders of obamacare out of wrath over the weekend after the architect of obamacare struggling to deflect blame for the rollout. that is next. >> those are companies making decisions on how they want to ensure people. because of the way obamacare

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bill: so what would cause drivers to abandon their cars the middle of the road and start running? weather like this. when 50 miles per hour as the waves crashing up against the inside. 50 terrified drivers left their cars on the bridge. just walked away. police shut it down. three people injured because of it. look at that. martha: the nfl best getting an apparent case of bullying as one of the miami dolphins rookies just up and left the team he was so upset. lyman walked with leslie is reportedly being targeted with messages and threats by one of his fellow teammates.

now the dolphins have suspended at least one player in this. live in miami. tell us about what is going on here. reporter: martha, this has dolphins fans scratching their heads. we were reporting on a bullying case, a 12-year-old middle school girl and now in this case they supposedly come is a 6'5", 320-pound offense of lyman, a starter with the miami dolphins. jonathan martin. he left practice a week ago after his fellow teammates refuse to eat lunch with him. this was the last straw in a string of bullying episodes. the miami dolphins suspended indefinitely another starting lineman. here is their statement. we believe and maintain a culture of respect for one another and as a result we believe this decision is in the best interest of the organization at this time. the dolphins have the next game monday night and are likely to be without two of their five starting lineman because of

this. martha: when you read some of the details of this case, you think you're looking at eighth graders based on some of what is going on here. this is a problem with the dolphins are bigger problem in the league? >> the two cases, 12-year-old and the footfall players, a lot of the same things play out. pictures back and forth. there has been a culture of hazing in the nfl among rookies. but he wasn't even a rookie, he was a second-year player. representatives say he was pressured to give $15,000 to senior players to finance a las vegas trip for them last summer and others have been posting pictures of a $30,000 dinner that the rookies were forced to pay for. martin himself with a stanford graduate, and there are accounts he has been bullied his entire two-year tenure with the dolphins. martha: very interesting story. we will talk about this later as

well. thank you very much. bill: the rookies are forced to do some things. martha: he is not a rookie anymore. bill: usually they would have to pick up dinners, this kind of things. i would not call it hazing, it is a sense of fraternity a lot of these players have together. martha: i would argue some of this stuff seriously sounds like eighth grade. he went over to eat lunch and they got up and walked away. these are grown men behaving like this? ridiculous. bill: wanting to cough up 10 grand for one dinner. but to come back, eventually you are like hey, man, give it a break. more on that next hour. the president hitting the road to highlight a couple spent care. but how will the president explain this? brit hume here to analyze good martha: and a woman catches fire at a gas station. oh, my goodness.

why that happened and what happened to her right after this break. take a listen. we will be right back.

martha: we are back, and the white house is trying to manage as they try to fix the troubled health care website. welcome, i am martha mccallum in. bill: it feels like fall out there and it feels like this website is falling as well. announcing health care.gov will now go off-line every night to patch up all of the software glitches that have prevented people from signing up for insurance. martha: america's officials were out in force and here's some of what happened over the botched rollout. >> we grandfathered a lot of

policies. the failures are absolutely inexcusable. and we have to fix it. >> the district decides how it's going to make money. when private companies decide that they are going to draw people or put them in the exchange, you blame president obama and he's not responsible. bill: chief white house correspondent ed henry has more. what an interview that was yesterday with chris wallace. sounds like the white house is trying to modify the line about whether you can keep your insurance plan what is it thing today? >> you are right, it is a new iteration about what has been faced in terms of credibility. but the president saying that he sold his health care a lot and basically said if you like your plan you get to keep it and we've now found out that is not true for everyone and yesterday, dan pfeiffer, one of his top advisers sort of shifted the conversation yet again. >> the point is that if you had

a plan and that hasn't been changed or canceled, you can keep it. >> those are the kinds of caviar for the president did not use years ago when he sold it and the bottom line is that this has been going on for at least a couple of weeks and not just a website problem at all, but a credibility question and they are going to have to work hard to sort of turn the page on us and something they haven't been able to do and the president this week is heading down to dallas to do do an event on health care reform and they realize that yes to do a better job. >> the republicans will say that these problems with obamacare extend well beyond the website and wanted a finding beyond software? >> they are talking about the sticker shock of folks have in some places in terms of premiums been higher than expected on top of folks having their plans canceled and that is why republicans like kelly ayotte say that maybe it's time for the president work with congress and find a way to fix all of this.

>> i'm calling on the president to say that let's have a timeout on this,mr. president. convene a group of bipartisan leaders to address health care concerns in this country because this is not working and i'm hearing it from my constituents and let's do this right. and where the pressure is really coming from, that is a republican pushing, that there have been at least 10 senate democrats saying that it's time to change it and extend the enrollment deadline beyond march 31 of next year, or others like mary landrieu from louisiana, a key democrats saying that he finds the finds that people have to pay if they don't sign up will have to be delayed and you have a lot of democrats especially in the senate about this bill: ed henry, thank you. martha: and ezekiel emanuel telling us that the obama administration is not to blame for the millions of people who are now dropped from their

insurance plans in the wake of this rollout of health care. let's see the bigger soundbite here. >> insurance companies don't like the individual market as it's constructive. it's going away, they don't want to invest in it. >> the insurance companies are makieg a film and not the making a film and not the president. martha: here we have rick as our guests and thank you so much for being here. ezekiel emanuel, dan pfeiffer, and david axelrod, looking like the team rolled out over the weekend. got there and play defense. how do they do? >> they did poorly. ezekiel emanuel, from what i've seen earlier when megyn kelly interviewed him is practically hydrophobic overdose and interrupting an injury and a

fevered and he is claiming this is on the backs of the insurance companies and the problem with that is that everyone who looks at this, no matter what their politicals drive or political preference is in the media, they come to the same conclusion that this isn't the insurance companies fault, it's time to follow the law and do it a mandate and that the false narrative that is being used by the administration to try to shift the blame and it's not working and the problem is that these repeated arguments and controversies as you pointed out on the sunday shows, i'm seeing it in morning television and this might have died down and we know the basic guidelines, but it has not died down. this is about the perfect storm as i could ever imagine. >> it's kind of unbelievable to me to say that you didn't know that there were going to be ramifications or a ripple effect

and ezekiel emanuel said that it's not the presidents fault that the health care insurance laws, that the insurance companies changed their laws. but the reason all these changes aren't happening is because the catalyst of obamacare. is that not correct? >> well, obamacare mandate certain things and a great many insurance policies in the individual marketplace may find this out to be true leader in the company and its company-sponsored insurance plans, they cover a lot of things that people don't need and not cost money and drives up the cost and the deductible if you try to keep the cost down and people were inevitably going to lose their policies in the middle business no getting around that. it's plain as the nose on your face. everyone understand that.

trying to explain away has been unavailing. they do not have an explanation of it than it does not leave the president as someone who went out and repeatedly told an untruth. martha: it seems like they're only answers, two possible answers. either they didn't understand the economic imitations of what they are putting together an impact is going to have war they wanted to have the impact it's having. because they want an even more streamlined, single player planned on the road. but it's one in the other. it has to be. >> well, if you're trying to get to single payer plan, this is not the way to do it. bill: but you can argue they didn't understand us. speak to the insurance companies are going to have to do what they needed to do.

>> one of the problems lies at the core with what they're trying to do here and that is to insure the uninsured in numbers of the tens of millions of you can do that for nothing. and you need people to be buying in that are healthy in order to get the premium money rolling in that would be sufficient to cover the uninsured and allow older and sicker people. so by making these plans in terms of coverage and raising the price and so on, you bring that about, you bring in cash, this is always -- it was always at the core of this a certain amount of premium money to cover the uninsured and that is what led them to these decisions about what to include and so forth. you need to make the planned merger so they cost one you could collect more premiummoney.

cemented and about the fact that they cover these 30 million people that weren't covered enough 50 million people in the individual market might be losing it. but the entire system was altered and that makes it a little bit of a tricky argument as well. >> the stated goal was to insure the uninsured. effective to date has been to on insure the uninsured by the millions and that is a terrible outcome. and people, a lot of people will be benefiting from us and be satisfied, but that benefit is invisible now because the website is broken and you put these things together and this is pretty toxic, and that is why if it's a perfect storm. martha: it is good to talk to you and we will see you soon. >> mitt romney winning in, the president trying to highlight the health care initiative in massachusetts about a week ago. but romney says the president is not being straight with the american people here.

>> to begin with honesty and we can talk about what is the right plan and there are aspects of the massachusetts plan and i think other states would be wise to adopt and states will say that i don't want that and i have a better idea. let them try those things. imposing something that in some ways resembles what we did in massachusetts, on the entire nation, it is not something, particularly doing it in a dishonest way without telling people what was entailed is something that the american people are rejecting overwhelmingly. bill: that was an interesting interview. so who is to blame for the problems with the rollout? 140 characters or less, i thought the interview is very telling, that if you do not fundamentally change the root of your argument, your second term will rock very strong language coming from the former governor of massachusetts. martha: the sprinkler ready to

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bill: edwards noted in saying that it shows that he was justified in leaking classified and information about the nsa. se argues that citiz

fight agains suppression of information and affairs of importance to the public and those who speak the truth are not committing a crime. he is still in russia where he has been given asylum for at least a year and he remains a fugitive. martha: that is a very interesting case. coming up in the supreme court, set to hear a case that could redefine the role that religion plays in marco rubio led the effort to allow prayers to continue before government meetings and president obama has also said that he supports this for a few minutes each morning, politics and party are set aside, instead of debate, senators reflect upon their duty, mindful of the nation's core values and their need for divine assistance. indicating we have to guess with us, welcome to you both. it has not been brought for more

than several decades, the separation of church and state and it comes from new york where the town council would hear a prayer before they began their business. it turned out that most of the time it was a prayer and then there were a couple individuals that oppose that and then quickly went back to the all christian motive business. looks very interesting. it could have implications on the way to the senate and i just want to get that and by way of background. >> he spoke about separation and let's talk about that for one minute. it's not in the constitution at all, it goes back to 1801. one a letter was written to thomas jefferson asking if he would infringe upon their freedom of religion and thomas jefferson said no, i will not, there is a wall of separation between church and state in i

will not infringe on your right of religion. but that has been perverted to mean that we need to take religion out of government. but what really means it really means is that we need to keep government out of religion. and that is what is happening in this case, some people are trying to take it out of government, but that is contrary to the entire condition of this country. martha: what do you think, leslie? >> i have to tell you that i agree with some of what you said. but the problem is the slope that could become and we don't want the government establishing any religion and when we look at a small-town compared the size of the united states and the diversity of the united states be much larger, those two women are jewish and atheist and to people that are offended, and how we cover every religion in america? politicians are elected to legislate, although i would say

that this political body in washington needs a lot more than prayer and the problem here is if i were an atheist and i am not, i do believe in god and etc., but if i were an atheist i would be offended for my first amendment right would be violated by my government and of course, the fear of what could come next that this could lead to an establishment of legislation that would benefit christians because many say that this is offensive to other religions. martha: sandra day o'connor said that it sends a message that they are outsiders not full members of the political community and you look at this situation, one of the plaintiffs received a letter that was signed with three number sixes, that if you feel unwanted, it is probably because you are.

and it seems like the sort of falls into an almost different category. and i think most people agree it is completely wrong. >> you talk about that pe talk s first amendment right and no one is affecting that person's right to freedom of religion we are trying to keep from imposing religion and preventing people from that, and that is not what is happening here. but going back to the 1993 court case, it was talked about whether or not it was appropriate to pay a clergy to do a prayer and that crosses a line of establishment is in taxpayer money, and that is something, where if we bow our heads for 30 seconds and ask for forgiveness and patience and wisdom and guidance and. >> it seems like they have the

right to stand and not participate in a prayer prayer at that moment or the knowledge that prayer in their own mind and heart and respect their right to have that they are if that's what they want to do at the beginning of the session. if they want to get up and say a poem, the atheist, they would be allowed as well, when it? >> it's not just about that, we can pick and choose what we want from the constitution and from a practice of separation of church and state. the we have been doing pretty much when we look at what is happening here, it is not necessarily what is being done or by whom, but it is the way her. these individuals have the right to pray privately, christians in one corner, the problem is that -- and quite think they have i have to say that the bible is

very clear about praying in public and if you believe that the bible is the word of god, that god prefers that we do it in private and not make a display and my promise that they are going to pray together and to judge each other and the praying before they send all of that. martha: we are running out of time. the question is of church and state in what is embedded in american history. that's the battle and you guys laid it out nicely for us. we thank you. we want a bit of a stunning game. what happened here? martha: and the winners of the new health care law may be the new class. the winners ending up possibly the losers. what is happening to real people under obamacare.

>> and make a little too much money to be eligible for any kind of break on premiums, but i don't think enough that i can actually afford the full price policy. so i sort of fall between the cracks, i guess. idaho potato fa. and our giant idaho potato truck is still missing. so my dog and i we're going to go find it. it's out there somewhere spreading the good word about idaho potatoes and raising money for meals on wheels. but we'd really like our truck back, so if you see it, let us know, would you? thanks. what?

martha: a fiery plane crash have killed at least nine people including three government officials. a small plane had trouble landing and exploded into flames on sunday. this is just unbelievable. dozens of people swarming to the scene, pulling the victims from the wreckage and in the end nine people survived ♪ bill: the head coach of the houston texans. this man collapses and jonathan

huntsman working with details now. >> he is still undergoing tests and we do not know exactly what the issue was that caused geary to collapse. just at halftime yesterday, you can see the moment and it happened right there. the nbc sideline reporter was in that scene at the time and she said that he looked in a great deal of pain and had his eyes closed in and his hand over his face at some point. and kerry is a guy who's all his teammates and colleagues he

keeps himself very fit according to all those within the organization. and right now it remains a mystery what he went through. bill: on one hand and houst he wasn't the only one right? >> that's right, john cox, head coach for the denver broncos have been told previously that he had a heart condition he was hoping to go into surgery for that condition when the season ended sometime in february, but he was playing golf in north carolina on saturday. and you have in terms of random success. and there's a heck of a lot of pressure on this head coach.

bill: jonathan hunt, thank you so much. martha: here's a question for you. can a 6-foot 5 inches get hurt in this way? we will have that story next. bill: plus, who is obamacare hurting and who isn't helping? >> it's more than just a website. stick with power. stick with technology. get the flexcare platinum. new from philips sonicare.

bill: more and more stories by the day, the backlash over obamacare. the white house is highlighting the winners, but what about those whose plans are being discontinued because they do not meet the law's minimum requirements. our reporter spoke to the public about their expenses. >> i feel like i have been put into a badge was kind of position. do i insure one member of my family or two members, cannot afford to do two members or none of us? i have a feeling that the end of year i will be without health insurance, my whole family.

bill: we have stephen moore and jenna goldberg and good morning to both of you. we have the economic side and for weeks now, you wake up in the morning, and there is a handful of stories that are brand-new and fresh. and they are directories of this law. the woman in california said she has cancer, and she has been fighting for years, and now we have an idea about who is the most effective than it appears to be healthy and middle income small-business owners and consultants and lawyers and other self-employed workers who buy their own insurance and is that what you're seeing the erosion of a lot today? >> anyone who earns about

$62,100,000 will not be eligible for many of the subsidies. but they are very much at risk and it's a heartbreaking story. many say that they won't have access to their doctor or treatment in the first instance. but i need this treatment to stay alive and this is a very dangerous situation. but it is somewhere between three and 5 million people. bill: okay, she said that i had great cancer doctors and my plan was cantered and now i worry. so let's talk about the pr aspect of this. but it appears you're finding a

a lot of losers and not just winners and that is a difficult thing to manage. what is your feeling on the? >> one of the greatest understatement of all time this is not the way to the white house plans on going. and what they had hoped for was a huge boom and wonderful advances of how this law is working and i think it will create some of the stories and you cannot have all of these generous benefits without creating some winners in all of this. the problem is that the causes of this absolutely catastrophic website is that most people can't even find out what insurance they want and the positive story just isn't available as millions of stories

are getting canceled and it's a real problem. bill: a very specific question. over time you'll find out once you are on the website you get better coverage and it is cheaper, is that true? >> here is the problem with obamacare. many americans don't have health insurance and that the problem for america and the obama administration, kudos to them for doing something about her but the other 90% of people who do have health insurance, they are generally very happy with the insurance they have and what obamacare -- president obama and the democrats are saying is that you may with lose your insurance, but we will give you something you like moore and the american people are saying but i like what i have and i don't want to take a risk that you'll put me into something i don't like. that's why the story that we

have in the paper is so important. people are losing their treatment. it's about whether you get the kind of care that you need and i think that that is the fundamental problem is people are saying i like what i had before and i'm not so happy with what i have had now. bill: so you believe things will get worse as they progress? >> well, i must be wrong. and all of the criticisms that libertarians and sober people were making about obamacare for a very long time are proving true. the average family will save $2500 in what we are basically seeing as millions of people being enrolled in medicaid and

very cheap insurance programs and they have no out-of-pocket costs. and a lot of people will get a free lunch, but the middle class are going to pay for it. in reality, this is a massive economic redistribution. many are waking up and smelling the coffee. bill: jenna goldberg, stephen moore, thank you both for coming on. martha: today, the governor's race is just down to the wire now, both candidates looking to take tuesday's election with the help of star power. the president was there over the weekend and marco rubio is ready to go outlet ken cuccinelli.

carl, this is getting very interesting. >> 36 hours in the polls will be closed. this is a case in which both the republicans and others have been campaigning and a barrage of attacks killing the virginia airways and debates have been personally nasty as they go back and forth. both sides have very specific messages. ken cuccinelli is trying to make waves and he also has been working towards good turnout. they're about half of what came out and last year and since then it's a real issue. campaigning with joe biden this morning, it seems that republican who has united this

has been out of touch. going after the issue of women's health issues. >> he still has not explained why he supports this and this includes the focus and he has attacked women's health care access and the social security you have paid into and the scientific research. >> we spent about $20 million on his campaign and a lot of it has been seen negatively. a lot less money and can kuchen

-- ken cuccinelli has been recognizing that the affordable care act is being litigated, and whether it will help bring health care costs down. it was something that he was a leader on come the first attorney general to file suit against it. martha: he hopes the events of the next few weeks will help them. we will see over the next 36 hours. carl, we thank you. bill: new details on what appears to be a case of bullying in the nfl. the racially charged messages between two players and we will explain coming up next. martha: growing outrage. the social security administration has paid out more than $130 billion to people that are no longer what it was. we will have that next my asthma's under control.

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bill: one person dead and several injured after a church van and a car collided. they are heading back from where prisoners say the driver took off on foot. the van was killing 18 people, including the driver who died at the scene. indianapolis, indiana. martha: new details this morning about the alleged bullying in the nfl and we told you that the miami dolphins had performed conduct that was detrimental to the team. martin left the team after having what he described as an emotional breakdown as a result of the behavior that he was even there his new allegations that

racially charged messages may have been at the heart of this. jim, good morning to you. this is an interesting one. tb 6.5 feet and have your feelings hurt when you want to leave the team? >> yes, apparently so, that seems to be the case here and this -- a lot of this is because of the culture of the nfl. and it's normal for the rookies to pay to behave and to be sent to a place on thanksgiving where there is no turkey. this has stepped over the line for some time so much that an individual had to leave the team and we also thought that it was normal for there to be a bounty on other players, so the culture

and the times are certainly changing and it seems like this may be the issue that may change this as well. martha: looking at a couple of tweets, sent out by the guard from what you can say is that they take this issue seriously and he is sticking up for himself out there. the sun and the moon and the truth, he is quoting buddha in that one. and he did say that if you or any of the agencies have a problem with me, you know where to find me. and what is his reputation? >> he has a bad reputation and it has been well earned. he was kicked off the ramp team and that was back in 2009

because of some penalties and so forth that he has been a very well earned reputation in his own team had decided to suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team. i don't know why he is going after the reporter because they have decided that they are better off without him being there. so whether or not he's guilty of this, it remains to be seen. jon: they are working to position themselves as well. you know, he said that he was being harassed, and i guess there were nothing about these racial charges that could be part of this and so they are

trying to do the right thing, it would appear and prepare themselves for legal action. >> you don't want to be called the guy who is not macho or the guy that is a wimp. you don't want to be the guy that can't take any of the tom paine or the hazing and that is the exact opposite of what you want in an nfl locker room. a lot of this is normal for the standards of the nfl. and he's probably afraid of reprisal. martha: i look at it as you know, forcing him to pay for things, you know, i wonder why they call a it professional football because this is extremely unprofessional behavior. >> on which end?

>> these guys who are harassing these rookies with this hazing stuff, it seems a very unprofessional. >> it is, but it goes on and there is always this mentality of being in professional sports he toughen up a guy and you make them stronger. you eliminate the week and you make them strong. it is something that has gone on for a long time in professional sports and the armed forces and perhaps in this day and age it doesn't work anymore. we are talking about a young man that went to stanford. speaking he may have been too smart for the rest of the guys. but thank you very much, it's great to get your thoughts on that and we will see where that goes. bill: coming up, happening now. jenna lee will be with jon scott. before some new evidence of

obamacare. bret baier and bob cusack have lots of grief over the troubled rollout. in "the new york times" has a different opinion. we will see that in just nine minutes. i'd love it if you'd open the chute! [ male announcer ] progresso. surprisingly bold flavor for a heart healthy soup.

jon: we will look at very disturbing video and it shows a woman engulfed in flames at a gas station. the police say that it happened when she was paying for gas. oh, my goodness. he had a cigarette lighter to close to that gas tank and she caught fire and she has severe burns to deal with and her than her husband is facing charges of reckless conduct and that is just terrible. bill: more big government

glitches. we are not talking about health care.gov. social security and more than $100 million. >> "the washington post" says that 750 people every month are determined to beat dead by the u.s. government who are very much alive. what is it says in "the washington post" that a man visited the social security office and so he wanted more evidence and his reaction was i am alive. the social security administration still believes to be alive certain people and they paid out hundreds of millions of

dollars, $133 million for dead people can't even worse for much smaller pools of people. $400 million shelled out two dead retirees and another example of heating bills. and his dead father's benefits were received for 26 years. and doug kelly, thank you so much. jon: martha: there is mounting pressure and maybe they should hit the pause button, some say on the health health care law. we have that next. ♪ ho ho ho

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martha: so that's monday. we're off to a rolling start of the week. we'll see you later this afternoon. bill: just seeing if i get online at healthcare.gov. martha: how is that working for

you? bill: where do you want to go? new jersey? martha: new jersey. bill: see what new jersey is looking for you. martha: big election. bill: it says get started. create an account. fabulous. martha: "happening now" starts right now. jenna: brand new stories and breaking news. jon: despite bill hemmer's success there are many new problems to tell you about with the obama healthcare exchange. web psy crashing so oven, now there are plans to should i down for several hours each night. huge demonstrations in tehran to mark 34 years since iranian hostage crisis. protesters chanting, death to america, raises new concerns about american efforts to negotiate with iran on its nuclear program. much. a man charged with walking into one of america's busiest airport, opening fire, terrorizing travelers and shooting one tsa agent dead. what it means